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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:34 PM
host gets angry because "they would do anything for their tulpa" and harms the relationship
4:34 PM
isn't that an equivalent of an angry tulpa causing disruption in a relationship?
4:36 PM
imo plurality has a potential to make someone's life better, not worse
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yeah
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:36 PM
disruption of relationship is making one's life worse
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
let's use the context from above, someone said "your tulpa is not normal, get rid of it"
idk that's worth getting at least a little angry about
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:37 PM
i wouldn't get angry if someone suggested to get an abortion
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
what if it's angry host that is offended by how their tulpa is talked about
I think this is the same as friends(or anyone) making fun of anything you care a lot about, that others might not Whether that's a tulpa, a book series, a collection of whatever-collector's-item, etc.
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Like I said, it's not the friend's place to try and control others
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It's pretty normal to get upset when people insult something you care a lot about
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meh ye but this is tulpas we are talking about
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
Reply to: i wouldn't get angry if someone suggested to get an abortion
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
i wouldn't get angry if someone suggested to get an abortion
I would, that's an extremely inappropriate thing to tell someone
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And that is THE problem to begin with in these situations
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yukaritelepath ↩️
Reply to: Like I said, it's not the friend's place to try and control others
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Khaos
meh ye but this is tulpas we are talking about
its not rly the same
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again yes but it depends tbh.
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yukaritelepath ↩️
Reply to: I would, that's an extremely inappropriate thing to tell someone
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:39 PM
it's interesting you seem to not be able to get into shoes of someone who knows nothing about plurality and get offended by someone just not understanding your experience
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exactly.
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gabyesola ↩️
Reply to: its not rly the same
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
isn't that an equivalent of an angry tulpa causing disruption in a relationship?
A long kiss goodnight 6/13/2023 4:39 PM
No, I don’t see it that way. I would be really uncomfortable with anyone telling me to stop doing something I enjoy just because they think it's weird. If they said, "I think this is bad for your mental health", that is slightly different. If you're in therapy and they say "did you get rid of it?", then that's not okay because that's between you and your therapist now I see an "angry tulpa" hurting a friendship in the sense a tulpa is being used as an excuse for hurting that friend and not taking responsibility for their actions. I think that's not cool. If the "angry tulpa" was just pointing out things about the friend they didn’t like, then I struggle to see how that person couldn't come up with that on their own (or it's intrusive thoughts, which falls under mental health) (edited)
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Yuka
I would, that's an extremely inappropriate thing to tell someone
especially if you dont know their thought about abortion
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I mean for me at least I was not offended by somebody who didn't understand plus my whole situation was about someone who understood it.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
Reply to: it's interesting you seem to not be able to get into shoes of someone who knows nothing about plural…
4:40 PM
yeah which is why its so depedant
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gabyesola ↩️
Reply to: especially if you dont know their thought about abortion
4:40 PM
But most cases it would be.
4:40 PM
since if this person loves it already.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
i wouldn't get angry if someone suggested to get an abortion
A long kiss goodnight 6/13/2023 4:40 PM
Ohhh that's a big no no
4:41 PM
You don't tell someone that
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or not or etc.
4:41 PM
Kit really is wild
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Ranger ↩️
Reply to: You don't tell someone that
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:41 PM
i wouldn't tell anyone that, but i wouldn't also get angry for someone saying it
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A long kiss goodnight
You don't tell someone that
hey you should kill your child because youre depressed by it
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gabyesola
hey you should kill your child because youre depressed by it
wtf
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Khaos
Kit really is wild
A long kiss goodnight 6/13/2023 4:42 PM
I don't think that, keep in mind abortion is a hot button issue in the USA, so that's why I'm responding that way
4:42 PM
An isn't from the US
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:42 PM
people have opinions and they have nothing to do with you unless they act on it
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yep
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1(paragraph). yes 2. Tulpas shouldn't be interacting with your friends to begin with so for you to allow them around would be problematic especially if this friend didn't interact with them to begin with.
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Ranger ↩️
Reply to: No, I don’t see it that way. I would be really uncomfortable with anyone telling me to stop doing s…
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
i wouldn't tell anyone that, but i wouldn't also get angry for someone saying it
A long kiss goodnight 6/13/2023 4:43 PM
For something seen as typically a personal choice by some and gospel never do by others, I think people at least in America would have the normal reaction of losing their minds
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Khaos
1(paragraph). yes 2. Tulpas shouldn't be interacting with your friends to begin with so for you to allow them around would be problematic especially if this friend didn't interact with them to begin with.
i get it
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Fair but wild in other aspects is what I meant.
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Ranger ↩️
Reply to: An isn't from the US
4:44 PM
lmao they rlly would.
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Ranger ↩️
Reply to: For something seen as typically a personal choice by some and gospel never do by others, I think peo…
4:44 PM
Its a bad idea in general
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to get life involved
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anyway
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in that stance
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:45 PM
For something seen as typically a personal choice by some and gospel never do by others, I think people at least in America would have the normal reaction of losing their minds
@A long kiss goodnight - jump there is of course a spectrum -you know what, i think you should do X because Y -you should do this (repeats it to you every hour) there is a way of saying it or the attitude that would repell me from the person, and maybe at some point if it was repeated i would act emotionally, but anger would probably not be my first reaction
4:45 PM
anger to someone who disagrees with me is not my default reaction
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even if it's something i care about
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A long kiss goodnight 6/13/2023 4:46 PM
Americans are fruit loops
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:46 PM
lol
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Context and phrasing matters immensely if we're talking about suggestion of abortion, everyone's going to assume context differently here and it's not a topic we allow discussing in-depth anyways so
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No one should have to bend over backwards, change their harmless behaviour, etc to appease someone else's ignorant and selfish takes. If I told a friend I started painting and they said, "painting is so dumb, you should throw that away" that would be uncalled for. The friend is at fault, not the person doing the painting
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should u guys move
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Very true.
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yukaritelepath ↩️
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gabyesola
should u guys move
where about to go into an abortion debate
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to them its involved with tulpas
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gabyesola ↩️
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There are far better examples to compare telling someone to stop tulpamancy to, like telling someone to stop trying to be an artist, or to stop collecting figurines
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:47 PM
No one should have to bend over backwards, change their harmless behaviour, etc to appease someone else's ignorant and selfish takes. If I told a friend I started painting and they said, "painting is so dumb, you should throw that away" that would be uncalled for. The friend is at fault, not the person doing the painting
@Yuka - jump sure but someone could say "you know what, i heard the brand of the paint you use has asbestos in it, you should be careful"
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Khaos
to them its involved with tulpas
lol ok
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:48 PM
which might be more comperable to someone reacting to someone's tulpamancy
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Reisen
There are far better examples to compare telling someone to stop tulpamancy to, like telling someone to stop trying to be an artist, or to stop collecting figurines
or stop reading
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yes yes but kit don't put coulds into facts since I noticed you kept doing that.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
Reply to: > No one should have to bend over backwards, change their harmless behaviour, etc to appease someone…
4:48 PM
like if it didn't happen
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its not a problem
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A long kiss goodnight 6/13/2023 4:48 PM
Ultimately, I think that it's okay to have an emotional reaction to someone telling you what they think is or isn't okay. I think it's very much a case-by-case basis, tulpamancy being one of the more complicated ones. I wouldn't stop you from telling your friend Nazis are bad don't do that, but tulpamancy is pretty harmless. Unless you're worried for their mental health, but I would give that problem to their therapist. You as their friend are not the therapist
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such as talking about a person being what if they aren't endo
4:48 PM
but its been stated they are
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:49 PM
there were two examples here, yours and gaby's, i've been talking about gaby's
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sorry than
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:49 PM
it's not about you
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its a bit confusing kit.
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look man im just spectating rn
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I never thought it was just me.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:49 PM
i mean yeah there are 4 conversations happening at the same time lol
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same
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gabyesola ↩️
Reply to: look man im just spectating rn
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gabyesola
or stop reading
Keep in mind there are lots of uninformed ideas about mental health in society, one of which being that you can give yourself schizophrenia. A lot of random people may honestly think that practicing "tulpamancy" can give you "Multiple Personality Disorder" (generally outside the plurality community, people still do not know that the term MPD is gone and that Dissociative Identity Disorder replaced it... or what DID symptoms even consist of) (edited)
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right.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ ↩️
Reply to: i mean yeah there are 4 conversations happening at the same time lol
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People don't always necessarily have ill-intent when criticizing tulpamancy, while some opinions are "imaginary friends are for children", more often it's "You're going to give yourself a mental disorder"
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
No one should have to bend over backwards, change their harmless behaviour, etc to appease someone else's ignorant and selfish takes. If I told a friend I started painting and they said, "painting is so dumb, you should throw that away" that would be uncalled for. The friend is at fault, not the person doing the painting
@Yuka - jump sure but someone could say "you know what, i heard the brand of the paint you use has asbestos in it, you should be careful"
That's pretty different. If the paint turned out to have dangerous ingredients, then I'd continue painting with something else. If the paint was safe, then I'd be in the right to tell the friend they're wrong/there's nothing to be worried about because XYZ (and keep painting)
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exactly
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:51 PM
it's not if the paint is dangerous or not, it's about what the person believes
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like what lumi said
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people might have genuine misunderstanding
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and be worried
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
it's not if the paint is dangerous or not, it's about what the person believes
then you inform them and say why they are wrong
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posibly using sources
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exactly
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its rlly ez to find that out
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:52 PM
find what?
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if paint has absbestos
4:53 PM
see my stupid answers that how i feel rn
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:53 PM
i don't think there is a reliable enough source you could show and convince everyone tulpamancy is safe
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true sadly enough.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:53 PM
(and imo there are cases which tulpamancy can be unsafe)
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
people might have genuine misunderstanding
A long kiss goodnight 6/13/2023 4:54 PM
I would hope people do research on this. Even Dr. Veissière claims it's harmless in his analysis
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:54 PM
not everyone is open minded, and asking someone to understand plurality is really asking a lot
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but sure if you are ready to end the relationship because you have to be accepted on one side of your life, maybe it is better for you to end the relationship - you might be the toxic one, who am i to judge
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
people might have genuine misunderstanding
That's where communication is important. It's not like I'm saying, yeah just get angry and ditch your concerned friend after one comment and leave it at that
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/13/2023 4:55 PM
better for you and the other person*
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Yes but people are not so trusting when they don't know every little detail about it.
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Ranger ↩️
Reply to: I would hope people do research on this. Even Dr. Veissière claims it's harmless in his analysis
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
not everyone is open minded, and asking someone to understand plurality is really asking a lot
moonknight is a good example its negative yeah but still
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